mdriftmeyer
Apr 16, 10:31 PM
Apple bought OS X too. :D
I'm arguing that both were massive undertakings by both parties. My OS X example was tainted with sarcasm if you didn't catch the little :rolleyes: there.
Both OS X and Chrome OS (and Android, and iOS) borrow heavily from others, either through acquisitions or from the open source community. To claim Google is any inferior here is just trying to stir the pot, especially calling the poster Troll, that is just insulting and uncalled for.
Both companies deserve props from providing the software they do, neither deserves scorn that some posters here like to dish out.
So what ? OS X is Mach/XNU, Apple didn't make that. It's also a GNU/Berkeley userland, Apple didn't make that either. Again guys, drop the non-sense competition, this thread is about a release of OS X, not some type of Google bashing contest.
Clarifications:
XNU is post 1996 merger. Mach pre merger was 2.9. Post merger is a mix of Mach 3.x with XNU and FreeBSD, plus Apple's own advances.
Everyone who worked on OS X at Apple in Core Engineering was a merging of NeXT Engineering with some Apple Engineers and future talent. Apple bought NeXT for the IP, Code Bases, Tools, Engineering Talent and Leadership.
BSD is not GNU.
I'm arguing that both were massive undertakings by both parties. My OS X example was tainted with sarcasm if you didn't catch the little :rolleyes: there.
Both OS X and Chrome OS (and Android, and iOS) borrow heavily from others, either through acquisitions or from the open source community. To claim Google is any inferior here is just trying to stir the pot, especially calling the poster Troll, that is just insulting and uncalled for.
Both companies deserve props from providing the software they do, neither deserves scorn that some posters here like to dish out.
So what ? OS X is Mach/XNU, Apple didn't make that. It's also a GNU/Berkeley userland, Apple didn't make that either. Again guys, drop the non-sense competition, this thread is about a release of OS X, not some type of Google bashing contest.
Clarifications:
XNU is post 1996 merger. Mach pre merger was 2.9. Post merger is a mix of Mach 3.x with XNU and FreeBSD, plus Apple's own advances.
Everyone who worked on OS X at Apple in Core Engineering was a merging of NeXT Engineering with some Apple Engineers and future talent. Apple bought NeXT for the IP, Code Bases, Tools, Engineering Talent and Leadership.
BSD is not GNU.
csimmons
Oct 19, 04:22 AM
Yes, thank you. At least someone else out there is emotionally distanced enough from the iPod and the Apple entertainment sector to be a bit objective.
Innovation: just what happened to Apple's innovative spirit when it comes to computers? The latest Mac Pro was fitted into the existing (and way oversized) G5 case. The MacBook was disappointing in that - proportionally - Apple did not shrink it at all or make it lighter than its predecessor (a design which had been in existence for about four years). There are more things, but I really don't want to sound like a troll here...
Apple needs to come out with new computer models that are unlike anything else out there. What about a tiny, thin ultraportable? What about a smaller tower, so those of us that want a pro computer don't have to invest in an oversized monster (which is larger than any PCs in the market that I am aware of). Aren't computers supposed to get SMALLER as the technology advances? Why is Apple obsessed with making the iPod smaller and smaller, but does not care as much about its laptops and desktops?
The answer: profit, or course. The iPod is Apple's cash cow. And this, my friends, is what I mean when I say that Apple needs to be partitioning off a little of its innovative energy that it is putting into its entertainment sector and bring it back to the computer line.
Understood now?
OK, now fire away :)
Apple surely does it's homework, otherwise they wouldn't be as successful as they are currently. Perhaps their market research has shown them that there's no "real" market for an ultra-portable, pda, prosumer tower, or the other things that you and a few other have requested? the MP3 player market was a different animal, since the market was there already, albeit heavily segmented.
Insisting over and over again that the iPod is Apple's cash cow when the facts state differently doesn't make sense. It's clearly a large part of Apple business, but it's CORE business is still computers. The numbers clearly show that.
Innovation: just what happened to Apple's innovative spirit when it comes to computers? The latest Mac Pro was fitted into the existing (and way oversized) G5 case. The MacBook was disappointing in that - proportionally - Apple did not shrink it at all or make it lighter than its predecessor (a design which had been in existence for about four years). There are more things, but I really don't want to sound like a troll here...
Apple needs to come out with new computer models that are unlike anything else out there. What about a tiny, thin ultraportable? What about a smaller tower, so those of us that want a pro computer don't have to invest in an oversized monster (which is larger than any PCs in the market that I am aware of). Aren't computers supposed to get SMALLER as the technology advances? Why is Apple obsessed with making the iPod smaller and smaller, but does not care as much about its laptops and desktops?
The answer: profit, or course. The iPod is Apple's cash cow. And this, my friends, is what I mean when I say that Apple needs to be partitioning off a little of its innovative energy that it is putting into its entertainment sector and bring it back to the computer line.
Understood now?
OK, now fire away :)
Apple surely does it's homework, otherwise they wouldn't be as successful as they are currently. Perhaps their market research has shown them that there's no "real" market for an ultra-portable, pda, prosumer tower, or the other things that you and a few other have requested? the MP3 player market was a different animal, since the market was there already, albeit heavily segmented.
Insisting over and over again that the iPod is Apple's cash cow when the facts state differently doesn't make sense. It's clearly a large part of Apple business, but it's CORE business is still computers. The numbers clearly show that.
creator2456
Sep 14, 09:00 PM
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Getting my bowling ball redrilled and resurfaced in preparation for league play.
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Also needed new shoes.
Getting my bowling ball redrilled and resurfaced in preparation for league play.
http://www.weberbowlingandawards.com/shop/images/Choppa.png
Also needed new shoes.
maclaptop
May 5, 10:03 AM
You have to realize one thing. Without market share, company like Apple can not make profit.
To wit:
Market share has no correlation with profit.
To wit:
Market share has no correlation with profit.
Buckeyes1995
Apr 22, 05:43 AM
I am not a gamer but still will not buy an MBA with an i series chip if it means I have to suffer Intel's woefully weak integrated graphics processor. I bought an early 13 inch Ultimate in October and plan to keep it for at least three years. It handles everything I throw at it easily so until and unless it won't do that anymore I don't plan to replace it.
I'm the same boat.. at first I was pretty P.O.ed that Apple would be downgrading the GPU.. but then realized 'hey dummy, you just bought your MBA 13 Ultimate.. you won't be replacing it for 2-3 years anyways".. by that time hopefully Intel will have a better chipset.. or perhaps Apple will figure out how to put a true graphics board in the MBA :)
The ONLY thing that concerns me.. if two years from now my MBA fails and has to be replaced and not repaired.. I assume Apple would give me a new one under Apple Care.. which would be a downgrade for me, as I do some gaming.
I'm the same boat.. at first I was pretty P.O.ed that Apple would be downgrading the GPU.. but then realized 'hey dummy, you just bought your MBA 13 Ultimate.. you won't be replacing it for 2-3 years anyways".. by that time hopefully Intel will have a better chipset.. or perhaps Apple will figure out how to put a true graphics board in the MBA :)
The ONLY thing that concerns me.. if two years from now my MBA fails and has to be replaced and not repaired.. I assume Apple would give me a new one under Apple Care.. which would be a downgrade for me, as I do some gaming.
Corey Grandy
Jan 30, 09:59 AM
I would love to be able to get it too...but I'll have to deal with the girlfriend calling me a little kid. :o
There is NOTHING wrong with grown men playing Pokemon...until they start singing the theme song. :cool:
I feel your pain. I'm going to just shrug it off, I suppose - all I can do, really.
I think there's a lot to be said for the amount of thought and strategy that can be put into some aspects of the game. Much like many other video games I don't judge based on the subject matter (unless it's Barbie, Hannah Montana or Justin Bieber related - I'm just so biased) until I know whether or not there is more to the game than that.
There is NOTHING wrong with grown men playing Pokemon...until they start singing the theme song. :cool:
I feel your pain. I'm going to just shrug it off, I suppose - all I can do, really.
I think there's a lot to be said for the amount of thought and strategy that can be put into some aspects of the game. Much like many other video games I don't judge based on the subject matter (unless it's Barbie, Hannah Montana or Justin Bieber related - I'm just so biased) until I know whether or not there is more to the game than that.
Unspeaked
Jan 28, 02:13 PM
Bottom line: It's not always possible to rationally explain why the market does what it does on a short-term basis.
B-but... the informercials!
They say I can channel stocks!
;)
B-but... the informercials!
They say I can channel stocks!
;)
lordonuthin
Oct 28, 06:24 PM
Nice. Those amd machines add up since you have so many. How do you deal with heat?
The heat is an issue, for now I can open windows and use fans but by next summer I will have to do something about it. I'm actually contemplating cutting a hole in the basement floor (concrete) and digging down several feet to place a tubing coil that could be used to cool the cpu's directly with water blocks. That would require a manifold to distribute the coolant to all of the cpu's and possibly gpu's. That might be cheaper electric wise but would take money and time to implement. Wait a sec, I just realized I already have a hole in the floor for the sump, hmmmm. Anyway I have some time to contemplate the possibilities, and I can do all of the work myself. I know some folks in the heating/cooling business that could help design a system so I will maybe talk with them at some point. Another possibility is a small window ac just for the computer room or moving everything to the basement where it is cooler anyway... but damp in the spring. Lots of possibilities - Google is my friend :D
The heat is an issue, for now I can open windows and use fans but by next summer I will have to do something about it. I'm actually contemplating cutting a hole in the basement floor (concrete) and digging down several feet to place a tubing coil that could be used to cool the cpu's directly with water blocks. That would require a manifold to distribute the coolant to all of the cpu's and possibly gpu's. That might be cheaper electric wise but would take money and time to implement. Wait a sec, I just realized I already have a hole in the floor for the sump, hmmmm. Anyway I have some time to contemplate the possibilities, and I can do all of the work myself. I know some folks in the heating/cooling business that could help design a system so I will maybe talk with them at some point. Another possibility is a small window ac just for the computer room or moving everything to the basement where it is cooler anyway... but damp in the spring. Lots of possibilities - Google is my friend :D
Sodner
Apr 12, 09:18 AM
HTC sensation > iphone 5
That is all
Enjoy the version of Android that comes on that thing out of the box. With all the HTC bloatware and Android fragmentation you'll be lucky to ever see a software update. :rolleyes:
That is all
Enjoy the version of Android that comes on that thing out of the box. With all the HTC bloatware and Android fragmentation you'll be lucky to ever see a software update. :rolleyes:
iRobby
Apr 15, 01:43 PM
I think iMac overhaul is in the fall right after the back to school deals are over......
Oh I would think that new computers would be a perfect fit in to back to school deals no? That is if the refresh not happening in the summer
Oh I would think that new computers would be a perfect fit in to back to school deals no? That is if the refresh not happening in the summer
CommodityFetish
Jul 10, 10:18 AM
This is good news. Not sure if it will be able to convert me away from Mellel, which has been a fabulous word processor for me for what I need...
www.redlers.com
But glad to see the progress for Apple.
www.redlers.com
But glad to see the progress for Apple.
trip1ex
Apr 13, 02:32 PM
Eh I don't see it. I think it's a jump the shark move.
What are they going to do?
Make an aluminum frame?
INclude a tiny aluminum remote with few buttons?
Build the ATV inside?
Let you calibrate it and configure it from the computer?
Video conferencing?
Put nice speakers inside?
Give it a much higher resolution that doubles as a nice computer monitor?
I don't see this stuff as having a big market.
Or maybe they make your tv the computer also? BAsically an iMac. Maybe they release a 42" iMac for $3000.
Still sounds like jump the shark to me.
What are they going to do?
Make an aluminum frame?
INclude a tiny aluminum remote with few buttons?
Build the ATV inside?
Let you calibrate it and configure it from the computer?
Video conferencing?
Put nice speakers inside?
Give it a much higher resolution that doubles as a nice computer monitor?
I don't see this stuff as having a big market.
Or maybe they make your tv the computer also? BAsically an iMac. Maybe they release a 42" iMac for $3000.
Still sounds like jump the shark to me.
Daveoc64
Apr 23, 07:19 PM
I don't believe this. Why would Apple waste money on a carrier that has just been bought?
The best asset that T-Mobile USA has is its network.
AT&T will no doubt want to use that eventually - it's probably the main reason that they're buying it.
T-Mobile's 3G coverage is solely on the AWS band.
A future iPhone that could use all of the bands that AT&T/T-Mobile USA owns would provide a real boost for AT&T. It would expand their network coverage with minimal cost and no hassle of waiting for planning rules etc.
The best asset that T-Mobile USA has is its network.
AT&T will no doubt want to use that eventually - it's probably the main reason that they're buying it.
T-Mobile's 3G coverage is solely on the AWS band.
A future iPhone that could use all of the bands that AT&T/T-Mobile USA owns would provide a real boost for AT&T. It would expand their network coverage with minimal cost and no hassle of waiting for planning rules etc.
Tragedies
Apr 9, 10:05 AM
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abhimat.gautam
Apr 28, 11:57 PM
Using my digital calipers the white is .01" thicker, I am using the same case from my black iPhone and it seems to fit just fine. Didn't notice any difference till I heard about it.
Image (http://i.imgur.com/mkWbD.jpg)
Image (http://i.imgur.com/Nyjof.jpg)
Image (http://i.imgur.com/OeHUV.jpg)
Nice pictures. Better than the ones used for the article itself.
Image (http://i.imgur.com/mkWbD.jpg)
Image (http://i.imgur.com/Nyjof.jpg)
Image (http://i.imgur.com/OeHUV.jpg)
Nice pictures. Better than the ones used for the article itself.
ipader
Apr 13, 02:21 PM
How do these analysts earn money? Who ever pays them, should be fired. If we have to wait until September for the iPhone/iPod refresh, it's going to be 5 long and painful months putting up with all this crap everyday from the rumormill.
The closest I could see to this might be a rebranded Samsung set that contains an ATV, sold by Samsung
The closest I could see to this might be a rebranded Samsung set that contains an ATV, sold by Samsung
Mord
Apr 27, 03:00 AM
As long as my daughter is in there, I will have a say who goes in the bathroom. my daughter isn't a woman yet, she is a girl, and I will do whatever it takes to protect her. Like it or not, I think gender bending is wrong, and people like you will not be in the bathroom with her. When she is finished, it is all yours.
my views may not be popular in this thread, and I expected the regular insults that you libs dish out to people that disagree with you. If your afraid of dissenting opinions, then you need to stay on some of those forums that will always agree with you, and will nurture you, and your life style.
"you libs" amuses me, I don't recall ever expressing strong political views on this forum, supporting any particular party or anything of the sort, unless you mean liberal as in someone who supports constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the freedom of religion? Find me a prominent republican that will disagree with most of those and I'll accept your label gladly.
Please don't brand me or anyone else as politically partisan simply for disagreeing with you.
I'm curious as to what you think my "life style" involves that's incompatible with yours or anyone else's? I don't need "nurturing" nor do I need everyone to agree with me all the time. I've been around this forum for a while now, I've met probably approaching 100 members at one point or another, more than a couple of whom have posted in this thread. Please don't indicate that I'm unwelcome here, reality disagrees.
I'm not afraid of your opinions, if anything I'm merely concerned by them. I'm also bemused by the fact that you seem to think that you own public restrooms, if you want to hold your daughter back from using it while someone you disapprove of is using it then sure, while I disagree with your motives that's your own prerogative. If however, hypothetically, you were to block me from entering, we would however have a situation on our hands, assuming your threats of violence hold true. You would be the one they would arrest.
I'm just fine with people disagreeing with me, however threatening me with violence, denying my identity (albeit indirectly) and airing a standpoint of intolerance I take slight issue with, issue enough to argue with you. I've not reported any posts of yours or anyone else to moderators. There's no reason to get confrontational here.
my views may not be popular in this thread, and I expected the regular insults that you libs dish out to people that disagree with you. If your afraid of dissenting opinions, then you need to stay on some of those forums that will always agree with you, and will nurture you, and your life style.
"you libs" amuses me, I don't recall ever expressing strong political views on this forum, supporting any particular party or anything of the sort, unless you mean liberal as in someone who supports constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the freedom of religion? Find me a prominent republican that will disagree with most of those and I'll accept your label gladly.
Please don't brand me or anyone else as politically partisan simply for disagreeing with you.
I'm curious as to what you think my "life style" involves that's incompatible with yours or anyone else's? I don't need "nurturing" nor do I need everyone to agree with me all the time. I've been around this forum for a while now, I've met probably approaching 100 members at one point or another, more than a couple of whom have posted in this thread. Please don't indicate that I'm unwelcome here, reality disagrees.
I'm not afraid of your opinions, if anything I'm merely concerned by them. I'm also bemused by the fact that you seem to think that you own public restrooms, if you want to hold your daughter back from using it while someone you disapprove of is using it then sure, while I disagree with your motives that's your own prerogative. If however, hypothetically, you were to block me from entering, we would however have a situation on our hands, assuming your threats of violence hold true. You would be the one they would arrest.
I'm just fine with people disagreeing with me, however threatening me with violence, denying my identity (albeit indirectly) and airing a standpoint of intolerance I take slight issue with, issue enough to argue with you. I've not reported any posts of yours or anyone else to moderators. There's no reason to get confrontational here.
Mac-Addict
Oct 24, 08:28 AM
2GB of RAM :eek:
Wow, no one saw that one coming!!
Maybe something in the higher models needed 2gb of ram.. Or apple is just being its kinds self and giving us 2gb instead of 1gb to make us happy :) Or trick us into thinking we are getting a good deal for our money when we really arnt! Ahh the confusing ways of apples marketing structure! But I sure cant wait for my 2.33GHz stock 15.4inch Macbook pro! I will be paying that back for the rest of my life ;)
Has anyone esle seen that the apple.com/macbookpro image looks white.. kinda looks like a ibook
Wow, no one saw that one coming!!
Maybe something in the higher models needed 2gb of ram.. Or apple is just being its kinds self and giving us 2gb instead of 1gb to make us happy :) Or trick us into thinking we are getting a good deal for our money when we really arnt! Ahh the confusing ways of apples marketing structure! But I sure cant wait for my 2.33GHz stock 15.4inch Macbook pro! I will be paying that back for the rest of my life ;)
Has anyone esle seen that the apple.com/macbookpro image looks white.. kinda looks like a ibook
roadbloc
Apr 14, 03:30 AM
A typo.
Warbrain
Apr 28, 06:03 PM
I really dont get how people are not seeing this in the photo...its blatantly obvious that its bigger. Take a look at my 'digitally enhanced' (HA!) version:
Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=283405&stc=1&d=1304026216)
You're joking, right?
This is THE most retarded thread EVER hahaha
This. But it lends itself to a lot of dirty jokes.
Jesus christ the world will end.
May 21st if you believe the fools.
Image (http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=283405&stc=1&d=1304026216)
You're joking, right?
This is THE most retarded thread EVER hahaha
This. But it lends itself to a lot of dirty jokes.
Jesus christ the world will end.
May 21st if you believe the fools.
crees!
Aug 15, 02:28 PM
Hmmm, why would an update of Front Row be deemed top secret...
Could this suggest that the mythical iHome might be coming soon? I think you're right and there will be some type of recording available through FrontRow. SJ said, "We hear you loud and clear" on this topic.
Could this suggest that the mythical iHome might be coming soon? I think you're right and there will be some type of recording available through FrontRow. SJ said, "We hear you loud and clear" on this topic.
playaj82
Jul 28, 10:04 AM
In think the main point of view of many people here is that when Microsoft makes long-term plans, it's because they're planning to drive the competition to the ground with the help of a big pile of cash instead of innovation and good products.
The fact that they started this whole new thing by dropping their own PlaysForSure DRM isn't a good indicator (for the users AND commercial partners - they have to switch hardware again).
Apple, on the other hand, has switched three times (68K->PPC, OS 9->OS X, PPC->Intel) and has always tried to keep compatibility with the previous system. A first generation iPod can play iTMS-bought tunes, too (unless I'm mistaken).
I tend to agree with you, but that is just business, and Microsoft is good at it.
If we want to point fingers, point them at the consumers.
The only reason Microsoft still pours money into things is because people will still buy their products.
Competition is just as much about monopoly as it is about necessity. People could say that Apple is using their marketshare to push around accessory makers and by emphasizing their "Made for iPod" label to rake in some extra cash solely because of their position.
Microsoft also uses their position of having a large amount of disposable cash. If their product sucks, people won't buy it, and Microsoft suffers.
The fact that they started this whole new thing by dropping their own PlaysForSure DRM isn't a good indicator (for the users AND commercial partners - they have to switch hardware again).
Apple, on the other hand, has switched three times (68K->PPC, OS 9->OS X, PPC->Intel) and has always tried to keep compatibility with the previous system. A first generation iPod can play iTMS-bought tunes, too (unless I'm mistaken).
I tend to agree with you, but that is just business, and Microsoft is good at it.
If we want to point fingers, point them at the consumers.
The only reason Microsoft still pours money into things is because people will still buy their products.
Competition is just as much about monopoly as it is about necessity. People could say that Apple is using their marketshare to push around accessory makers and by emphasizing their "Made for iPod" label to rake in some extra cash solely because of their position.
Microsoft also uses their position of having a large amount of disposable cash. If their product sucks, people won't buy it, and Microsoft suffers.
Small White Car
Apr 12, 09:34 AM
Millions wouldn't agree with you but I do.
WildCowboy
Oct 18, 10:07 PM
Apple has had a phenomenal run. They are doing this on all fronts. They have 2 Billion CASH! That is a big deal. It keeps the R&D funded.
Actually they have over $6 billion in cash and another almost $4 billion in liquid, short term investments...so they really have $10 billion in cash, up from just over $8 billion a year ago.
Actually they have over $6 billion in cash and another almost $4 billion in liquid, short term investments...so they really have $10 billion in cash, up from just over $8 billion a year ago.